Argor42 > Mr. Awesome 2-0
cagethedarkmaster > Mr. Awesome 2-1
1 heart lost for both teams due to non-participation

Mr.Awesome disconnected during Game 1 of a war match and he contests it should be a reduel, while I contest he should get the game loss. Can someone neutral rule on this please?



Relevant: http://pastebin.com/TtMwCbSf

i disconnected at the first turn and argor42 refused to reduel from game 1 i find this match invalid, this is rda not dn

and i refuse to duel argor again all together he is officially on my blacklist, he can go ahead and try to take the win from this two turns-match i dont care, not gonna duel him again.

Since you can't tell who is going to win from that curent situation you cant claim your win, Argor. And as for Mr.Awesome, next time something like this happens take a screenshot of yourself disconnected from DN. 
If someone is having an RDA official duel on DN and he claims that he disconnected without having the proper proof of that, then the duel will be counted as a loss. This rule will be added asap to the RDA official rules.

the disconnection screen quickly disappears into the main menu, and also i never thought i have to take screens against argor, i guess i was proven wrong

This duel's winner obviously isn't known... my suggestion for you both is to ignore this and ione and in future screen shots are needed to prove things after all I know disconnecting on DN will quickly reconnect into the main menu, that's something no one will denied. But to try as possible to take a screen shot to prove it. I'm gonna let the decision of this one for Cage since he's our War Organizer.

I've already explained my side of the issue on Skype, so you all know why I feel a game loss should be issued here, but I'll summarize my points here anyway. Contrary to what Mr.Awesome probably thinks, it's nothing against him and I'm not trying to get a "cheap win", I'm trying to get a deserved win.

An accidental disconnect on his end cannot be definitively proven, because a disconnect can happen just as easily by turning off the internet connection briefly. I'm not insinuating that that's what he did, but by ruling as Wings and Rami have, you all open up the potential to abuse that. What if it's Game 1 and the opponent sees that he opened poorly, but his opponent opened well? They "disconnect" early, and get a free reduel because "you can't tell who is going to win from that curent situation ". Even getting a screen (official or otherwise) saying that he lost connection will not definitively prove that this didn't happen. The policy being established here is full of potential abuse by malicious characters who would seek an unfair advantage in a war environment. Ignoring the fact that I'm involved in this dispute, I don't see why in a situation such as this, where there was no established advantage by the one who disconnected, that the one who stayed should be effectively punished for it. It'd be one thing if it was clear that Mr.Awesome was going to win either that turn or soon afterward, or his advantage was so great that I would have most likely lost (such as Ophion set 4 and Iron Wall against Dragons that has no field, most of their stuff in their Graveyard, and only Ravine in their hand). But this situation wasn't anything like that. In a case where there is no decisive advantage on either side, that favors the party who didn't disconnect. /argument

Argor if you are following the *My field was better, he DCd => I win" policy then I also have to add something.  I want to add that following your judgment, IF Mr. Awesome's side would have been better than yours and he would DC then the win should go to him; which is clearly not fair. The only real solution here is to find a solid way to prove that he DCd and did not turn off his WIFI.

I'm not talking about a slight advantage, I'm talking about decisive advantage. If Awesome had a field of Ophion with material, Iron Wall face-up, and even 2-4 other set backrow, against my hand of Ravine (drawn this turn), no field, and most of my Dragons yarded, then yes, he should absolutely get the win in that case.

Never underestimate the power of topdecking. Anyways. You dont have a definite advantage over Mr. Awesome. That being said I wont agree with you getting the win. I vote for a cancel of the duel.

Argor42 wrote:

 What if it's Game 1 and the opponent sees that he opened poorly, but his opponent opened well? They "disconnect" early, and get a free reduel because "you can't tell who is going to win from that current situation "

wow... just wow, do you really think im that low?

But I'm not arguing that I should get the win because I had decisive advantage; I'm arguing that I should get the win because he disconnected and DIDN'T have decisive advantage. There is far too much room for malicious characters to abuse your kind of policy if it becomes established, and you can't definitively prove intent even with RDA online status, Skype, or anything else you suggested in the Skype chat. Therefore, I see no reason he should be rewarded for disconnecting, and I see no reason I should get punished for staying. (And in my hypothetical situation, I topdecked Ravine that turn; how is topping something else going to help me in the immediate future?)

And Awesome, if you read my initial reply to Wings and Rami, you'd see that I'm NOT saying you're that low. However, if this kind of precedent is established, people who ARE that low can and will abuse it.

Well there shouldn't be colateral damage just because of a DN error. If the opponent wasn't responsible for the disconnection then he shouldn't be punished for it. As for the other player...I expect people here to understand that it wasn't anyone but DN's fault for the DC and that a remach (in case of a legit DC) is the best solution. Thats only my opinion tho. I expect the other staff members to leave a comment about this.

I'm going to give Mr. Awesome the benefit of the doubt. This match should be restarted since there's no way to definitively prove if his disconnect was intentional or not. Mr. Awesome has no reason to leave a game so early, he could just as easily win games 2 and 3, and there's no evidence from the screenshot that he is in danger of losing game 1. If both parties are refusing to restart the duel, then this entire match will be discounted.

so, Argor is recieving the match win due to Mr. Awesome's refusal to participate. On a lighter note, I got Mr. Awesome 2-1

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cagethedarkmaster wrote:

so, Argor is recieving the match win due to Mr. Awesome's refusal to participate.

I'm not sure how that is even the thing to do, my opinion is that the match should be cancelled, but I guess you all just went for the only thing that would shut argor up and to give that sore loser his lollipop back because he was crying too loud for the staff's ears to compare. anyways, the war manager has made a his "decision" and i will have to go with it.
Pathetic.

This decision was above my pay grade, Mr. Awesome, I suggest you discuss this with Rami if you think the issue is unresolved, but until then, this ruling stands.

i was just mocking how everyone in staff proven not to be worthy of such high place.
you see, i dont care about winning and losing i care about whats fair and whats not, and i respect whoever judge fairly, and i disrespect argor. and some of the staff.

Mr.Awesome wrote:

i was just mocking how everyone in staff proven not to be worthy of such high place.
you see, i dont care about winning and losing i care about whats fair and whats not, and i respect whoever judge fairly, and i disrespect argor. and some of the staff.

That's really not a nice thing to say :/
but, it's your personal opinion and I won't discuss it... as in judging this situation, I honestly didn't read all the posts in here.. but a duel between you and Argor should be, and if you disagree on it, then your team will auto lose this duel against him.

nuff said for now >_>

of course, the staff has to get the win, especially when argor is "valuable" staff member and you wouldnt want to make him mad ;o

24 hour notice, if a match isn't completed in this time frame, both teams will be penalized one heart.

Well Awesome is still hellbent on not playing against me, so Marcus/Neo, I'll be around on DN a bunch, just hit me up there when you want to war me.

This little self-imposed rule is holding up our war. I understand having a disagreement based on principle, but that doesn't mean you can't continue dueling the other two members. Ketsueki is inactive due to internet issues, so I'ma swap in WaldosShadow in his place. Both teams are penalized one heart. If no match is completed in 3 days, I will end this war and process the scores of the officially complete matches.

war moved to registration until all 6 members confirm their participation. No more stalling this. Once you've confirmed, be ready to FINISH this war.